DP1 - собрание полезной информации
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Re[Viktorych]:
ph8 В отзывах ясно сказано что не все плохо в этой камере ! Советую Вам почитать в Новом Завете (Евангелие от Матфея, гл. 13, ст. 24—30) и Отделить зерна от плевел !!!
Re[Ctac-79]:
от:Ctac-79
Велобайкер Не пойму я Вас ? Предположим вы приобрели DP1 ! От этого она лучше или хуже не станет . Чем Вам не нравятся объективные обзоры ?
Если Вы нечаянно наступили на грабли ? Думаю не нужно повторять за Вами ошибки . Спасибо .Подробнее
Я на грабли не наступал
Re[Ctac-79]:
от:Ctac-79
ph8 В отзывах ясно сказано что не все плохо в этой камере ! Советую Вам почитать в Новом Завете (Евангелие от Матфея, гл. 13, ст. 24—30) и Отделить зерна от плевел !!!Подробнее
И где в процитированном вами выше отзыве, зерна?
Re[Ctac-79]:
от: Ctac-79
Отзывы о DP1
http://www.e-katalog.ru/opinion_ie.php?resolvedName_=SIGMA-DP1
Да, продайте Вы свою Сигму и будет Вам щастие, зачем время на борьбу с ней тратить? Или так расстроились за потраченные деньги, что успокоиться никак?
Re[Viktorych]:
DP1 - собрание полезной информации
Всем привет
Вот нашел полезные советы на английском (выборка из форума)
но как перевести грамотно?
Марк Лучин может переведете с адаптацией??
Уж очень полезная инфа
собственно сам пост
• Speed advice
1. Use manual focus! (this makes instant shots and gives you control; try zone focusing using the 2 or 5 meters markings egwith aperture 8)
2. Set the autofocus on dp2 to second setting! (the default is entire range that takes a second, long range is much faster,autofocusing on vertical edges works best, and since it looks at contrasts it does not work in low light)
3. Get a good and fast type 6 sd card and format it in the camera(cheap cards are slow and may fail, while sandisk usb cardseliminates the need of a cardreader - I use extreme ducati usbwhich is speed 20/20)
4. Turn preview off or at 2 sec (it shows the picture you just took only after the camera is ready for taking the next)
5. Use burst mode and precise shutter press to choose shooting 1, 2 or 3 photos; with one you can shoot again after 2-3 seconds on dp2 or 5 seconds on dp1´s (picture saving time is 5 seconds on dp2 and 8 seconds on dp1´s; a batch of three takes 8 seconds more on both models, using a fast sd card)
• Quality
1. Shoot raw to get much more out of each picture (dp1 incamera jpg are almost useless, autoconvert x3f using spp; jpg from dp1s and dp2/s are quite good)
2. All pictures are far better looking on a computer monitor than on the lowres camera screen (you can set incamera saturation and contrast to plus 0.2 and on dp1 also set sharpening to minus 0.4 for better previews)
3. Use wide aperture (low aperture gives the sharpest photos and lowers bright light 6-pointed stars - dp1 is very sharp up to f10, dp2 up to f11)
4. The sun and bright lamps can give red dots caused by the ir-filter(much less pronounced in dp2 and dp1s, though still present)
5. Custom white balance will give the most precise colours (dp1 tends to make pink reds and cyan sky - too strong reds can be rescued by reducing saturation in spp and increasing saturation in other photoediting software)
• Iso-issues
1. At iso 400 and up colours fade quite a bit, while detail is conserved (notice that noise is depending on exposure, so an iso 200 raw at exposure -2 is the same as iso 800 raw, though they develop slightly differently in spp!!)
2. High iso raws get much of their colour back in spp4, turn the noise reduction to max, sharpen and remove leftover noise in NeatImage (black&white or sepia with smooth luminance noise pattern need developing in spp3, as spp4 ruins fine grain noise,see high iso use here!)
3. Expose for highlights if using iso 50 (good for overcast weather, use negative exposure for nightshots; foveon low iso means overexposing and pulling)
4. Expose for shadows using iso 100 (pulled shadows show colour noise, while overexposure recover well on x3f raw, so set wb to +1/3)
5. Use iso 200 for bright sun or mixed lightning to prevent channel clipping (foveon high iso is underexposing with internal hi-quality pushing)
• Focusing
1. Natural looking portraits need at least 2 meters distance from any camera (both dp1 and dp2 tempts getting too close; if you manually focus on 2 meters at f2.8 or f4 you have at least one foot of depth sharpness to move within)
2. Easy hyperfocal distances for making sharp looking prints viewed at the normal diagonal distance: (rounded off easy to remember; read the explanation here & dof calculations used)
 dp1 are 4, 3, 2 and 1.5 meters at f4, f5, f8 & f11
 dp2 are 12, 8, 4 and 2.5 meters at f2.8, f4, f8 & f14
3. Pixelsharp hyperfocal distances for viewing full size onscreen or special use: (coc 0.008, distances are rounded off & down for memorising)
 dp1 pixelsharp with 8, 6, 4 and 3 meters at f4, f5, f8 & f11
 dp2 pixelsharp with 24, 16, 8 and 5 meters at f2.8, f4, f8 & f14
4. To get a critically sharp horizon, manually focus close to infinity and use f5.6-f8 (f4-f10 are all useful, at max aperture there is a bit diffraction)
5. If you take a photo on the dp1 while red lamp flashes, it will use previous AF & AE! (overexposure can be saved in spp, underexposure gives noise)
• Handling
1. Protect the lens (the big lens is more prone to scratching and dust than ordinary cameras, use a microfiber cloth to clean it; consider the jc lenscap!)
2. Instant shooting is fun (use neck strap or soft jacket pocket and keep manual focus set to hyperfocal or P mode on dp1 at5meters; the dp2 needs minimum f/6 with focus on 5meters to be sharp from 2.5m; sadly with 0.3s shutter delay)
3. Set in-camera saturation and contrast to plus 0.2 for better view on lcd (this affects incamera jpg and raw default x3f setting in spp)
4. Learn to shoot blind with screen off or in info mode (it is a great challenge to estimate the framing, f/8 and exposure bracketing gives a safety net, use manual focusing for instant shooting and keep an eye on the histogram)
5. Make a y-strap for fast access (attach a keychain ring to each of the small sigma neckstrap ends, and let a long neckstrap run freely inside the rings, so the camera can rest by your side and easily slide up to your eyes)
• Battery life
1. Cold weather can drain the battery in 100 pictures (normal is200 without flash and moderate screen use, battery use is dependent of time camera is on, regardless of numbers of pictures taken)
2. On the dp1 you can program both zoom buttons individually for iso or other settings (this really minimises fiddling and useful with the screen turned off)
3. Beware that one nights sleep mode or a weeks storage might drain the battery of the dp1's (possible a hardware error; try deactivating auto power off or take the sd card out while storing the camera)
4. Turn off the screen and use a viewfinder for framing (Rytterfalk once took more than 800 pictures with one battery, the trick is to avoid idle time)
5. Avoid leaving the battery in camera when empty (lithium-ion batteries die if left discharging when empty, contrary to the old nimh batteries; for long-term storage, all lithium-ion batteries should be left half full)
• Files
1. Enhance your raw files with x3f fill light or negative fill light in SPP (x3f light adjustment is a unique foveon feature in SPP, you must try it!)
2. Make tiffs for serious editing outside SPP (8 bit tiffs are ok for noncritical work - 16 bit tiffs contain an amazing light range yet are much larger and thus slower to handle, remember to use apple or adobe colour)
3. Upsize pictures before printing A4 or larger (spp double size tiff is fine except some edges can get jaggy; always avoid jpg sharpening before upsize!)
4. For a fast overview and simple use, in SPP "save images as.." all images, using x3f or auto setting (you can also use the "convert to jpg" to extract the jpg from the x3f files, this shows the cameras jpg quality, which is poor in dp1)
5. Always backup your best raw files (even 16 bit tiff looses foveon information, raw is needed for x3f fill light and other SPP adjustments)
Всем привет
Вот нашел полезные советы на английском (выборка из форума)
но как перевести грамотно?
Марк Лучин может переведете с адаптацией??
Уж очень полезная инфа
собственно сам пост
• Speed advice
1. Use manual focus! (this makes instant shots and gives you control; try zone focusing using the 2 or 5 meters markings egwith aperture 8)
2. Set the autofocus on dp2 to second setting! (the default is entire range that takes a second, long range is much faster,autofocusing on vertical edges works best, and since it looks at contrasts it does not work in low light)
3. Get a good and fast type 6 sd card and format it in the camera(cheap cards are slow and may fail, while sandisk usb cardseliminates the need of a cardreader - I use extreme ducati usbwhich is speed 20/20)
4. Turn preview off or at 2 sec (it shows the picture you just took only after the camera is ready for taking the next)
5. Use burst mode and precise shutter press to choose shooting 1, 2 or 3 photos; with one you can shoot again after 2-3 seconds on dp2 or 5 seconds on dp1´s (picture saving time is 5 seconds on dp2 and 8 seconds on dp1´s; a batch of three takes 8 seconds more on both models, using a fast sd card)
• Quality
1. Shoot raw to get much more out of each picture (dp1 incamera jpg are almost useless, autoconvert x3f using spp; jpg from dp1s and dp2/s are quite good)
2. All pictures are far better looking on a computer monitor than on the lowres camera screen (you can set incamera saturation and contrast to plus 0.2 and on dp1 also set sharpening to minus 0.4 for better previews)
3. Use wide aperture (low aperture gives the sharpest photos and lowers bright light 6-pointed stars - dp1 is very sharp up to f10, dp2 up to f11)
4. The sun and bright lamps can give red dots caused by the ir-filter(much less pronounced in dp2 and dp1s, though still present)
5. Custom white balance will give the most precise colours (dp1 tends to make pink reds and cyan sky - too strong reds can be rescued by reducing saturation in spp and increasing saturation in other photoediting software)
• Iso-issues
1. At iso 400 and up colours fade quite a bit, while detail is conserved (notice that noise is depending on exposure, so an iso 200 raw at exposure -2 is the same as iso 800 raw, though they develop slightly differently in spp!!)
2. High iso raws get much of their colour back in spp4, turn the noise reduction to max, sharpen and remove leftover noise in NeatImage (black&white or sepia with smooth luminance noise pattern need developing in spp3, as spp4 ruins fine grain noise,see high iso use here!)
3. Expose for highlights if using iso 50 (good for overcast weather, use negative exposure for nightshots; foveon low iso means overexposing and pulling)
4. Expose for shadows using iso 100 (pulled shadows show colour noise, while overexposure recover well on x3f raw, so set wb to +1/3)
5. Use iso 200 for bright sun or mixed lightning to prevent channel clipping (foveon high iso is underexposing with internal hi-quality pushing)
• Focusing
1. Natural looking portraits need at least 2 meters distance from any camera (both dp1 and dp2 tempts getting too close; if you manually focus on 2 meters at f2.8 or f4 you have at least one foot of depth sharpness to move within)
2. Easy hyperfocal distances for making sharp looking prints viewed at the normal diagonal distance: (rounded off easy to remember; read the explanation here & dof calculations used)
 dp1 are 4, 3, 2 and 1.5 meters at f4, f5, f8 & f11
 dp2 are 12, 8, 4 and 2.5 meters at f2.8, f4, f8 & f14
3. Pixelsharp hyperfocal distances for viewing full size onscreen or special use: (coc 0.008, distances are rounded off & down for memorising)
 dp1 pixelsharp with 8, 6, 4 and 3 meters at f4, f5, f8 & f11
 dp2 pixelsharp with 24, 16, 8 and 5 meters at f2.8, f4, f8 & f14
4. To get a critically sharp horizon, manually focus close to infinity and use f5.6-f8 (f4-f10 are all useful, at max aperture there is a bit diffraction)
5. If you take a photo on the dp1 while red lamp flashes, it will use previous AF & AE! (overexposure can be saved in spp, underexposure gives noise)
• Handling
1. Protect the lens (the big lens is more prone to scratching and dust than ordinary cameras, use a microfiber cloth to clean it; consider the jc lenscap!)
2. Instant shooting is fun (use neck strap or soft jacket pocket and keep manual focus set to hyperfocal or P mode on dp1 at5meters; the dp2 needs minimum f/6 with focus on 5meters to be sharp from 2.5m; sadly with 0.3s shutter delay)
3. Set in-camera saturation and contrast to plus 0.2 for better view on lcd (this affects incamera jpg and raw default x3f setting in spp)
4. Learn to shoot blind with screen off or in info mode (it is a great challenge to estimate the framing, f/8 and exposure bracketing gives a safety net, use manual focusing for instant shooting and keep an eye on the histogram)
5. Make a y-strap for fast access (attach a keychain ring to each of the small sigma neckstrap ends, and let a long neckstrap run freely inside the rings, so the camera can rest by your side and easily slide up to your eyes)
• Battery life
1. Cold weather can drain the battery in 100 pictures (normal is200 without flash and moderate screen use, battery use is dependent of time camera is on, regardless of numbers of pictures taken)
2. On the dp1 you can program both zoom buttons individually for iso or other settings (this really minimises fiddling and useful with the screen turned off)
3. Beware that one nights sleep mode or a weeks storage might drain the battery of the dp1's (possible a hardware error; try deactivating auto power off or take the sd card out while storing the camera)
4. Turn off the screen and use a viewfinder for framing (Rytterfalk once took more than 800 pictures with one battery, the trick is to avoid idle time)
5. Avoid leaving the battery in camera when empty (lithium-ion batteries die if left discharging when empty, contrary to the old nimh batteries; for long-term storage, all lithium-ion batteries should be left half full)
• Files
1. Enhance your raw files with x3f fill light or negative fill light in SPP (x3f light adjustment is a unique foveon feature in SPP, you must try it!)
2. Make tiffs for serious editing outside SPP (8 bit tiffs are ok for noncritical work - 16 bit tiffs contain an amazing light range yet are much larger and thus slower to handle, remember to use apple or adobe colour)
3. Upsize pictures before printing A4 or larger (spp double size tiff is fine except some edges can get jaggy; always avoid jpg sharpening before upsize!)
4. For a fast overview and simple use, in SPP "save images as.." all images, using x3f or auto setting (you can also use the "convert to jpg" to extract the jpg from the x3f files, this shows the cameras jpg quality, which is poor in dp1)
5. Always backup your best raw files (even 16 bit tiff looses foveon information, raw is needed for x3f fill light and other SPP adjustments)
Re[qawsed12qawse]:
актуально для ДП1 и уже не актуально для S и X-вресий.
Re andrew_i
Я еще к сожалению не купил . Не устраивает соотношение цена качество !Красная цена этого чуда 250 долларов . Плюс сильно напрягает множество не достатков .
Re[]:
Вот ведь как человек устроен. Не имея личного опыта по предмету обсуждений устроил целую полемику тут, упражняясь в красноречии ... Н-да! А вот подумать о том, что он упражняется в ветке камеры которой скоро исполнится пять лет от роду!!!(Непринципиальные переработки в виде "S" и "Х" не в счет/ мелочь собс-но! А за это время многие системы канули ... Те же минольта, зеркальные панасы и олики, да много чего произошло. А снимки с Дп1, как и сама камера по прежнему горячо обсуждаемы. Это самое большое достижение этой фирмы в сегменте камеростроения пока - со всеми ее "потрохами" в виде имеющихся недостатков и прочее. Так что както так! И еще, если знакома система Пентакс нечто отдаленно похожее было с ее легендарным 43 лимом! Всем удачных моментов и хороших фотограффий!
Re[Stjarna]:
фотору скинуло цену на 1х и 2х. 19900 уже реальнее нежели 23 как было. но зато у меня она уже есть, а у вас еще нет :-Ь
Re
народ а умеет ли камера засыпать? а то вот то вклчение выключение сильно мешает оперативности - япробовал просто выклбючать автопавер офф -так акумулятор садится минут за 20 тоже не выход
Re[Romanyk Olexandr]:
от: Romanyk Olexandr
народ а умеет ли камера засыпать? а то вот то вклчение выключение сильно мешает оперативности - япробовал просто выклбючать автопавер офф -так акумулятор садится минут за 20 тоже не выход
А монитор вырубить . там он больше все жрет.
Re[Stjarna]:
от: Stjarna
фотору скинуло цену на 1х и 2х. 19900 уже реальнее нежели 23 как было. но зато у меня она уже есть, а у вас еще нет :-Ь
ПАДУМАЕШЬ. :P Мне и так уже вторю полку под все что есть пришлось выделить в одну уже не лезет :D
Re[Viktorych]:
Приобрёл сегодня Сигму ДП1х, вчера брал её потестировать, и сегодня решился, так что принимайте в ряды
Re[Юрий Терентьев]:
от: Юрий Терентьев
Приобрёл сегодня Сигму ДП1х, вчера брал её потестировать, и сегодня решился, так что принимайте в ряды
Поздравляю!)
Надеюсь вы с ней поладите)
И ждем фоток красивых в галерею)))
Re[Юрий Терентьев]:
от: Юрий Терентьев
Приобрёл сегодня Сигму ДП1х, вчера брал её потестировать, и сегодня решился, так что принимайте в ряды
wellcome
Re[ph8]:
от: ph8
Поздравляю!)
Надеюсь вы с ней поладите)
И ждем фоток красивых в галерею)))
Спасибо, буду осваивать систему. Но уже оценил качество картинки и удобство программы конвертера Рав (по сравнению с той же Фуджи). Сожаление только одно: раньше не обратил внимание на Сигму...
Re[Велобайкер]:
так монитор вырубаю по умолчанию какбы
Re[Romanyk Olexandr]:
от: Romanyk Olexandr
так монитор вырубаю по умолчанию какбы
мне на полтора два часа хватает в таком режиме. Батарейка живая.
Re[Юрий Терентьев]:
Поздравляю Вас! А на счёт конвертера Вы очень правильно заметили! Программа очень простая и понятная, есть самое необходимое и нужное.
Выкладывайте фотки)) УСПЕХОВ!
Выкладывайте фотки)) УСПЕХОВ!
Re[art_vad]:
от: art_vad
Поздравляю Вас! А на счёт конвертера Вы очень правильно заметили! Программа очень простая и понятная, есть самое необходимое и нужное.
Выкладывайте фотки)) УСПЕХОВ!
Спасибо!
Хочу спросить:
1. Если закачать новую версию программы с сайта-будет ли она русскоязычная?
2. Тоже самое с прошивкой: после закачки и установки - будет ли русский язык в меню?
Заранее благодарю.
